Legacy Ruling 4

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Status: Discussion (2025-04-13)

Harrowdale[edit]


Harrowdale (11S243) reads:

 Plains. Until the regroup phase, each minion skirmishing a  companion loses fierce and cannot gain Fierce.

The way that this card should be interpreted is unclear. It could be:

  • A: When the fellowship moves to or from this site, the following is in force until the regroup phase: At the start of each skirmish involving a companion, make each minion in that skirmish lose fierce and unable to gain fierce until the regroup phase.
  • B: While at this site, at the start of each skirmish involving a companion, make each minion in that skirmish lose fierce and unable to gain fierce until the regroup phase.

The basic difference is that A enforces the fierce-loss when the fellowship begins their turn at Harrowdale, while B is only valid when the fellowship moves to the site.

The main source of the question comes from the observation that this is a card clearly intended to benefit the Rohan player, but consider: if it is B, they only gain benefit if Shadow plays the site (barring effects like Pathfinder (1C110) ).

Similar Cards[edit]

There are a variety of cards which use the nonstandard arrangement of putting "until the regroup phase" at the start of an effect, usually when there are multiple clauses and the designer wants to be clear that all of them are affected:

 Maneuver: Exert an Elf ally whose home is site 3. Until the regroup phase, that ally is strength +3 and participates in archery fire and skirmishes.
 Bearer must be a Hobbit. 
 Skirmish:  Until the regroup phase, remove the game text (except card type and race) of a minion skirmishing bearer and make it unable to gain game text. Discard this artifiact.
 If an  minion wins a skirmish, until the regroup phase, make that minion strength +1 for each site you control and fierce.

Sack of the Shire in particular is an obvious result of confusion surrounding the earlier Savagery to Match Their Numbers (1R139) :

 Skirmish: Make an Uruk-hai strength +2, or spot 5 companions to make an Uruk-hai strength +4 and fierce until the regroup phase.

As the original wording makes it ambiguous whether the "until" clause is meant to apply to the fierce addition or both fierce and strength.



Precedent[edit]


The Question[edit]

Do we:

  • A: make Harrowdale function when moving away from it for one site

or

  • B: do we apparently follow LOTRO and make it only function when the fellowship moves to the site