Mines of Moria Card Proofs - Revision history

Teltura: edited meriadoc/peregrin speculation

2022-03-09T07:12:30Z

edited meriadoc/peregrin speculation

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	* [[Of Very Little Importance (Beta)]]		* [[Of Very Little Importance (Beta)]]

	Someone apparently objected to Merry's subtitle of "Mr. Meriadoc Brandybuck". Presumably it was New Line, as Tolkien Enterprises would have little reason to object to accurate lore. Perhaps it was to preserve "brand identity" and avoid usage of Meriadoc due to ~~not~~ being used in the movie?		Someone apparently objected to Merry's subtitle of "Mr. Meriadoc Brandybuck". Presumably it was New Line, as Tolkien Enterprises would have little reason to object to accurate lore. Perhaps it was to preserve "brand identity" and avoid usage of Meriadoc due to hardly being used in the movie?

	Of Very Little Importance appears to have been approved, but was cut for other unknown reasons.		Of Very Little Importance appears to have been approved, but was cut for other unknown reasons.
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	{{Card\|O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!}} and {{Card\|Old Noakes, Purveyor of Wisdoms}} had a minor pan/zoom on their portrait. {{Card\|Practically Everyone Was Invited}} had a completely new portrait chosen (see other fax pages below).		{{Card\|O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!}} and {{Card\|Old Noakes, Purveyor of Wisdoms}} had a minor pan/zoom on their portrait. {{Card\|Practically Everyone Was Invited}} had a completely new portrait chosen (see other fax pages below).
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	\|		\| [[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf\|page=9\|700px\|thumb\|center]]
	\| style="vertical-align:middle;" \|		\| style="vertical-align:middle;" \| Beta versions of the following cards:

			* {{Card\|Consorting With Wizards}}
			* {{Card\|Fearing the Worst}}
			* {{Card\|Hobbit Sword-play}}

			* {{Card\|Shield of Boromir}}
			* {{Card\|Blood of Numenor}}
			* {{Card\|Flee in Terror}}
			* {{Card\|Sentinels of Numenor}}
			* {{Card\|Gondor Will See It Done}}


			"Prepared for the Worst" was renamed to {{Card\|Fearing the Worst}}.

			{{Card\|Sentinels of Numenor}} interestingly received feedback to photoshop the background out of the actual film shot, presumably for how the hand blends into the background (which isn't a problem in the actual moving film).

			{{Card\|Consorting With Wizards}}, {{Card\|Fearing the Worst}}, {{Card\|Blood of Numenor}}, and {{Card\|Flee In Terror}} all had their portraits slightly zoom/panned.

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	\|		\| [[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf\|page=8\|700px\|thumb\|center]]
	\| style="vertical-align:middle;" \|		\| style="vertical-align:middle;" \| Beta versions of the following cards:

			* {{Card\|Red Book of Westmarch}}
			* [[Always a Baggins in Bag End (Beta)]]
			* [[Maiden of the Golden Ale (Beta)]]

			* {{Card\|No Mere Ranger}}
			* {{Card\|Flaming Brand}}
			* {{Card\|Natural Cover}}

			Always a Baggins in Bag End and Maiden of the Golden Ale were both approved yet cut for unknown reasons.

			No other alterations were made to the beta cards here as submitted.

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	\|		\| [[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf\|page=5\|700px\|thumb\|center]]
	\| style="vertical-align:middle;" \|		\| style="vertical-align:middle;" \| The response to the above submissions.

			It's unclear what class of change needed re-approval. Typo fixes seem too petty to resubmit, but things like the title, portrait, and lore changes seem reasonable. Regardless, the resubmission appears to be missing from the record, as the faxes below are for a future iteration that was art-only (and in the case of {{Card\|Beyond the Height of Men}}, the lore fix was already applied and presumably approved beforehand).
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	~~[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf\|page=9\|700px\|thumb\|center\|Shire 3 / Gondor 1]]~~

	~~[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf\|page=8\|700px\|thumb\|center\|Shire 4 / Gondor 2]]~~

	~~[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf\|page=5\|700px\|thumb\|center\|New Line Response]]~~



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	~~[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf\|page=17\|700px\|thumb\|center\|Resubmission cover]]~~

	[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf\|page=18\|700px\|thumb\|center\|Resubmission form]]		[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf\|page=18\|700px\|thumb\|center\|Resubmission form]]

Teltura: added another page

2022-03-08T00:08:29Z

added another page

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	* [[Of Very Little Importance (Beta)]]		* [[Of Very Little Importance (Beta)]]

	Someone apparently objected to Merry's subtitle of "Mr. Meriadoc Brandybuck". Presumably it was New Line, as ~~the~~ Tolkien ~~Estate~~ would have little reason to object to accurate lore. Perhaps it was to preserve "brand identity" and avoid usage of Meriadoc due to not being used in the movie?		Someone apparently objected to Merry's subtitle of "Mr. Meriadoc Brandybuck". Presumably it was New Line, as Tolkien Enterprises would have little reason to object to accurate lore. Perhaps it was to preserve "brand identity" and avoid usage of Meriadoc due to not being used in the movie?

	Of Very Little Importance appears to have been approved, but was cut for other unknown reasons~~. It ''is'' just a boring choke card, although it would have been quite obnoxious in later formats~~.		Of Very Little Importance appears to have been approved, but was cut for other unknown reasons.

	{{Card\|Sam, Proper Poet}} had a minor text format change.		{{Card\|Sam, Proper Poet}} had a minor text format change.
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	\| style="vertical-align:middle;" \|		[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf\|page=7\|700px\|thumb\|center]]
			\| style="vertical-align:middle;" \| Beta versions of the following cards:

			* {{Card\|A Promise}}
			* {{Card\|O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!}}
			* [[Fortune of Fate (Beta)]]
			* {{Card\|Pippin, Mr. Took}}
			* {{Card\|Practically Everyone Was Invited}}
			* {{Card\|Nice Imitation}}
			* {{Card\|Filibert Bolger, Wily Rascal}}
			* {{Card\|Orc-bane}}
			* {{Card\|Old Noakes, Purveyor of Wisdoms}}


			"Invited to the Party" was renamed to {{Card\|Practically Everyone Was Invited}}. Pippin, Mr. Peregrin Took, apparently ran into the same issue that Mr. Meriadoc Brandybuck did above. The fact that the final version was simply "Mr. Took" lends credence to the theory that the objection was to the use of Meriadoc and Peregrin.

			Fortune of Fate was approved but apparently cut for unknown reasons. Similarly, although {{Card\|Old Noakes, Purveyor of Wisdoms}} was approved, it was pushed back to the release of [[Realms of the Elf-lords]] for unknown reasons.

			{{Card\|Pippin, Mr. Took}} also had its lore rejected, although both parties would potentially have reason. The quote "How do we know Strider's a friend of Gandalf's?" is almost a line from the movie, which is "How do we know this Strider is a friend of Gandalf's?" as spoken by ''Merry'', which is itself a paraphrase of "How do we know you are the Strider that Gandalf speaks about?", spoken by Sam. Perhaps the objection was that it wasn't spoken by Pippin? If it's not that, then the fact that it's not a strictly accurate quote of either source could potentially have been the issue.

			{{Card\|Old Noakes, Purveyor of Wisdoms}} had a minor folks -> folk typo in its lore.

			{{Card\|O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!}} and {{Card\|Old Noakes, Purveyor of Wisdoms}} had a minor pan/zoom on their portrait. {{Card\|Practically Everyone Was Invited}} had a completely new portrait chosen (see other fax pages below).
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	~~[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf\|page=7\|700px\|thumb\|center\|Shire 2]]~~

	[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf\|page=9\|700px\|thumb\|center\|Shire 3 / Gondor 1]]		[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf\|page=9\|700px\|thumb\|center\|Shire 3 / Gondor 1]]

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2022-03-07T08:59:07Z

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 * {{Card|Whip of Many Thongs}}
 * {{Card|Must Do Without Hope}}
-* Ripples in the Pool
+* [[Ripples in the Pool (Beta)]]
 * {{Card|Final Cry}}
 * {{Card|Power and Terror}}
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 {{Card|Foul Tentacle}} and {{Card|The Eye of Sauron}} later had different portraits applied, and {{Card|Goblin Reinforcements}} was panned to make it more about the troop than the central orc.
-{{Card|Troubled Mountains}} apparently might have gotten itself rejected
+{{Card|Troubled Mountains}} apparently might have gotten its portrait rejected depending on whether the shot displayed the body doubles on a close inspection.
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 Interestingly, {{Card|Southern Spies}} was apparently originally a fully splashable anti-[[mill]] card.  However, its usage was eventually recycled into {{Card|Old Noakes}} while Spies itself was reworked into a very situational milling card itself.
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 [[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=7|700px|thumb|center|Shire 2]]

Teltura: Reworked presentation to use a side-by-side table. Converted several pages to use this layout.

2022-01-13T05:00:29Z

Reworked presentation to use a side-by-side table. Converted several pages to use this layout.

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Teltura: Created page with " On or about 2 January, 2002, Decipher submitted final card images for the Mines of Moria expansion to New Line Cinema for approval. New Line approved of the majorit..."

2022-01-12T10:39:17Z

Created page with " On or about 2 January, 2002, Decipher submitted final card images for the Mines of Moria expansion to New Line Cinema for approval. New Line approved of the majorit..."

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On or about 2 January, 2002, [[Decipher]] submitted final card images for the [[Mines of Moria]] expansion to New Line Cinema for approval. New Line approved of the majority of these cards, with only minor adjustments required for some. Some cards ended up having their portraits further adjusted by Decipher artists, and these were also sent in later for late approval.

These faxes were fortunately included within the [[New Line Fax Proofs]] dump courtesy of Kreg Miller, and are presented below with commentary.

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[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf|page=1|700px|thumb|center|The opening salvo of the Mines of Moria approval process.]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf|page=2|700px|thumb|center|Standard Product Approval Form provided to New Line.]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf|page=3|700px|thumb|center|Another cover letter. Presumably this was faxed to two separate IP owners, in this case Tolkien Enterprises to get the lore itself proofed.]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf|page=2|700px|thumb|center|Standard Product Approval Form provided to New Line.]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=19|700px|thumb|center]]

Here we have beta versions of the following cards:

* {{Card|Golden Light on the Land}}
* {{Card|Hand Axe}}
* {{Card|Till Durin Wakes Again}}
* {{Card|Gimli, Dwarf of the Mountain-race}}
* {{Card|Gloin, Friend to Thorin}}
* {{Card|Tidings of Erebor}}
* {{Card|Fror, Gimli's Kinsman}}
* {{Card|Dwarven Bracers}}
* {{Card|Beneath the Mountains}}

The only notable change here besides a typo in Fror's lore is that the Ring of Power shown in the Dwarven Bracers portrait has been photoshopped out.

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=18|700px|thumb|center|Dwarven 2]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=16|700px|thumb|center|Gandalf 1]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=17|700px|thumb|center|Gandalf 2]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=4|700px|thumb|center|Isengard/sites 1]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=5|700px|thumb|center|Isengard/sites 1]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=15|700px|thumb|center|Moria 1]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=14|700px|thumb|center|Moria 2]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=11|700px|thumb|center|Moria 3 / Sauron 1]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=10|700px|thumb|center|Moria 4 / Sauron 2]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=12|700px|thumb|center|Ringwraith 1 / Elven 1]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=13|700px|thumb|center|Ringwraith 2 / Elven 2]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=6|700px|thumb|center|Shire 1]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=7|700px|thumb|center|Shire 2]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=9|700px|thumb|center|Shire 3 / Gondor 1]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_1.pdf|page=8|700px|thumb|center|Shire 4 / Gondor 2]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf|page=5|700px|thumb|center|New Line Response]]

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[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf|page=17|700px|thumb|center|Resubmission cover]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf|page=18|700px|thumb|center|Resubmission form]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf|page=19|700px|thumb|center|cards 1]]

[[File:Decipher_New-Line_Approval_Fax_2.pdf|page=20|700px|thumb|center|cards 2]]

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